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« Odgovori #1700 : 30. Siječanj 2012, 20:50:05 »

Možeš i 2,3 - 2,5 bez problema , pogotovo zimi  :palacgore:

A šta se tiče ovog tvrdog ko kamen, kratko  Dunlop  :mrgreen:

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« Odgovori #1701 : 30. Siječanj 2012, 21:29:16 »

Provjerena guma, dobro uravnoteženih karakteristika ( suho, mokro, trajnost ) , nije baš da kao neke sportske gume podnosi agresivniju vožnju, ali u okvirima klase , možda najbolji omjer uloženo/ dobiveno. Ako je vožnja jedna solidna sportska, odlična guma  :palacgore:

hvala na odgovoru..dal i mi je isto uzeti 190 ili 180?
koja je razlika po ponašanju,voznosti?
rekao bi da je 180ka voznija i da lakše pada u zavoj,možda se varam-zato pitam  :palacgore:
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« Odgovori #1702 : 30. Siječanj 2012, 21:51:20 »

hvala na odgovoru..dal i mi je isto uzeti 190 ili 180?
koja je razlika po ponašanju,voznosti?
rekao bi da je 180ka voznija i da lakše pada u zavoj,možda se varam-zato pitam  :palacgore:

ako je 636 u pitanju drži se 180  :palacgore:

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« Odgovori #1703 : 30. Siječanj 2012, 21:57:34 »

ako je 636 u pitanju drži se 180  :palacgore:
je..hvala bimba  :palacgore:
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« Odgovori #1704 : 01. Veljača 2012, 10:02:39 »

 - evo jedan link ( :misli: možda je već bio u temi) koji mi izgleda OK  :palacgore:

http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=1100&cart_id=75172645.1100.1153&m_s=1&s_p=index

što se mene tiče, bile ove:

http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=34036019.1100.3422&typ=R-179186&ranzahl=1&Breite=180&Herst=Continental&Quer=55&Felge=17&S_Z=ZR&weiter=0&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=15&Transport=P&dsco=1100&m_s=1

a sad budu ove:

http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=34036019.1100.3422&typ=R-137106&ranzahl=1&Breite=180&Herst=Pirelli&Quer=55&Felge=17&S_Z=ZR&weiter=0&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=15&Transport=P&dsco=1100&m_s=1

i ak' je tako što kažu, ja zadovoljan što sam uzeo za svoj motorić 8)

- možete se malo bar zabaviti dok je zima i uz ovu najavu snijega što dolazi :no:
 ( osim testova pojedinih guma, za one koji su slabi sa njemačkim imate dolje i engl. link )

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« Odgovori #1705 : 13. Veljača 2012, 18:28:08 »

 - ne znam jel' bio ovaj link, ali zanimljivo je i kako su drugi ocijenili neku gumu,
   a vozili su je na raznim motorima i raznim kilometražama

  http://www.tyretest.com/motorcycle_tyres/pirelli/diablo_corsa_iii/index.html
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« Odgovori #1706 : 13. Veljača 2012, 20:48:39 »

Nemam sad vremena za pogledat detaljno, ali ovako na prvu, veoma zanimljiv link  :palacgore:

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« Odgovori #1707 : 13. Veljača 2012, 22:18:24 »

Nemam sad vremena za pogledat detaljno, ali ovako na prvu, veoma zanimljiv link  :palacgore:

 iako, kad gledaš, a to ti dođe isto kao forum - kad čovjek koji vozi npr. Ducati 996 SPS,
 za ovu "moju" koju ću staviti, napiše da je prezadovoljan i da je napravio s njom 14 000 km,  :shock:

 kome vjerovati?  :?

 - ili se zeznuo nešto kod unosa, ili... :neznam:
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« Odgovori #1708 : 13. Veljača 2012, 22:20:49 »

iako, kad gledaš, a to ti dođe isto kao forum - kad čovjek koji vozi npr. Ducati 996 SPS,
 za ovu "moju" koju ću staviti, napiše da je prezadovoljan i da je napravio s njom 14 000 km,  :shock:

 kome vjerovati?  :?

 - ili se zeznuo nešto kod unosa, ili... :neznam:

Drugi asfalt, motor, vozac, temperatura, tlak - biraj...
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« Odgovori #1709 : 13. Veljača 2012, 22:22:00 »

Drugi asfalt, motor, vozac, temperatura, tlak - biraj...


 - možda je vozio ukupno dva seta, pa htio pofaliti  :mrgreen:

 http://www.einsehen.de/reifentestcom/cgi-bin/autotest.pl?107\z112\z214\z2&&&EN&&
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« Odgovori #1710 : 14. Veljača 2012, 08:22:45 »

Dado nemas brige to je odlicna guma i mogao bi se iznenaditi, jedino ne znam da li ces biti zadovoljan potrosnjom ali u svakom slucaju je guma i iznad tvojih zahtjeva. Jos ako uzmemo u obzir koliko si ju platio  :afro:
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« Odgovori #1711 : 14. Veljača 2012, 09:27:30 »

Dado nemas brige to je odlicna guma i mogao bi se iznenaditi, jedino ne znam da li ces biti zadovoljan potrosnjom ali u svakom slucaju je guma i iznad tvojih zahtjeva. Jos ako uzmemo u obzir koliko si ju platio  :afro:

 :palacgore:

 150 € set  :oops: :mrgreen:
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« Odgovori #1712 : 15. Veljača 2012, 10:58:11 »

bimba nesto sam skicnuo slike novog dukca prangije ... uglavnom supercorsa ima novu saru?

je li ostala ista smjesa ili je to nesto sasvim novo za 2012?  :misli:

Evo ti sada malo opširnijih informacija, nadam se da znaš engleski,a ako ne onda ćemo prevoditi.

Mjesto radnje:
Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), 13 February 2012 – Abu Dhabi Yas Marina circuit: 440 brand new Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa tyres ready to devour the asphalt along with 28 Ducati 1199 Panigale bikes

Glavni protagonist:
There were two top notch testers at 1199 Panigale press launch going on this week: three time World Superbike Champion Troy Bayliss and Ducati Vehicle Technical Director Andrea Forni, both of whom were able to test the performance of the Diablo Supercorsa tyres in the race replica SP version, also adapted for daily street use, and the SC compound version which will be used this year by all the Superstock 1000 FIM Cup riders. Together with Pirelli riders and other Ducati testers, the two Ducati gurus rode lap after lap, fully enjoying the spectacular performance of the Diablo Supercorsa shod Panigale.

Izjave:
"Simply excellent tyres", said the enthusiastic Australian who won the World Superbike Championship riding the bikes from the Borgo Panigale based manufacturer in 2001, 2006 and 2008."If the SP version won me over with the fluid neutrality that accompanies each manoeuvre, even the most extreme ones, the SC2 compound version brought me back to an absolute total racing feel. I know Pirelli quality well, but this time they've managed to astonish me. Good job, Pirelli!"A much appreciated feature is the extraordinary capacity to attack curves in braking with extreme neutrality until reaching the apex, guaranteeing grip and an absolute level of stability in the subsequent acceleration phases. These are characteristics which Troy Bayliss skilfully took advantage of in spectacular test runs on both the standard version of the bike shod with Diablo Supercorsa SP and on the Kit bike with the SC2 version.

And engineer Forni's opinion confirms Bayliss' comments: "The new Diablo Supercorsa SP tyres in this 200/55 version are without a doubt the best street legal racing tyres in the world at the moment and I must say the best that I have ever had the opportunity to test in my career".


Malo tvorničkih podataka o gumi:
Pirelli return to the Yas Marina circuit in the United Arab Emirates capital, this time in support of the press launch for the new supersport Ducati, the 1199 Panigale, which will soon be available on the market with the new Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP (Sport Production) tyres as original equipment. The newest member of the Diablo family, introduced for the first time at EICMA 2011 in the first flagship Store Pzero Moda which opened last September in Milan, will shoe the Italian red fury in sizes of 120/70 ZR17 for the front and 200/55 ZR17 for the rear. They will also be exclusively used starting this year in the SC compound (Special Compound) version by Superstock 1000 FIM Cup riders.

In fact, the new Diablo Supercorsa SC in compound and destined only for competition is the evolution of Pirelli's most victorious supersport racing product into an even higher performance tyre designed to hold precise racing lines on straight stretches as well as bends. It provides a profile which favours handling, better wear in racetrack use, incomparable grip and unprecedented racing performance.

 

In the street version used by the 1199 Panigale, the Diablo Supercorsa SP is a concentration of technology which draws from Pirelli's racing experience and heritage as sole supplier of the World Superbike Championship since 2004, based on an ideal procedure of transferring sport technology to high performance street legal products. This street tyre, designed for professional riders and for bikers who have a sport street riding style but also love the track, provides racing performance typical of track-only products, allowing the user to have one ultra high performance product that can be used on the street or the track without having to make compromises. Compared to the compound version, the Diablo Supercorsa SP offers a bi-compound rear tyre in order to better adapt to street use, as well as more regular wear which favours mileage.

 

Both the Diablo Supercorsa versions (SP and SC) have a new profile on the front and rear which, compared to the 190/55 version, for example, is taller with about 2 mm more cord and about 4 mm more central diameter for greater support during braking and to make riding more intuitive and holding the line more precise. In particular, the new 200/55 size is the widest ever mounted on a street legal Ducati Superbike and the rear tyre has been completely redesigned and developed to increase the contact area and have more grip while leaning. The harmony of the front and rear profiles therefore ensures greater handling and agility.

 

The rear 200/55 size of the Diablo Supercorsa SP implements a bi-compound solution in order to permit both increased mileage and more grip while leaning. EPT (Enhanced Patch Technology) has also made it possible to use 23% more soft compound in the shoulder area (compared to the previous Diablo Supercorsa SP version) which now accounts for the 33% of the pattern extension on each side, guaranteeing better grip in mid to full lean. Finally, new polymers used for the SP compound helps achieving an earlier warp-up and improved grip in all conditions.

 

The performance of the compounds is further enhanced by the new and aggressive single element tread pattern, which revolves six times on the tyre surface. The result is that the “naked” area of the slick shoulders is 24% wider compared to the previous Diablo Supercorsa, increasing contact area and grip. The long longitudinal grooves, expanding from the central area to the shoulder, improve wear regularity especially under severe usage and helps draining the water lying on the ground. 

 

The solutions adopted for the compound (soft compound area 23% larger) and the tread (greater extension of the slick area on the shoulders) guarantee a significant increase in grip and traction, allowing the motorcycle to maintain a higher speed during leans. However, this made it necessary to use a new structure, derived directly from the ones used in competition and able to provide greater resistance to deformation. This is why the Diablo Supercorsa SP rear tyre now has a carcass made from an innovative high module fibre, patented by Pirelli and developed in WSBK, with a considerably lower deformation ratio than the fibre normally used in street tyres. The result is a new carcass which is more rigid, both at the centre and in the shoulder area. This provides greater resistance to the stress created by aggressive cornering or when accelerating early out of turns with the bike still in a leaning position. The new carcass helps the bike achieve better performance each time the weight shifts from the front to the rear and vice versa, a characteristic which is even more evident as the lean angle increases.


Cijena seta Sp varijante ( znaći tvorničke ugradnje na 1199) za 2012 godinu , za sada samo u dimenziji 120/200 biti će 2516,00 kn, a trebale bi biti dostupne za isporuku sredinom ožujka .

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« Odgovori #1713 : 19. Veljača 2012, 15:23:40 »

Evo ti sada malo opširnijih informacija, nadam se da znaš engleski,a ako ne onda ćemo prevoditi.

Mjesto radnje:
Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), 13 February 2012 – Abu Dhabi Yas Marina circuit: 440 brand new Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa tyres ready to devour the asphalt along with 28 Ducati 1199 Panigale bikes

Glavni protagonist:
There were two top notch testers at 1199 Panigale press launch going on this week: three time World Superbike Champion Troy Bayliss and Ducati Vehicle Technical Director Andrea Forni, both of whom were able to test the performance of the Diablo Supercorsa tyres in the race replica SP version, also adapted for daily street use, and the SC compound version which will be used this year by all the Superstock 1000 FIM Cup riders. Together with Pirelli riders and other Ducati testers, the two Ducati gurus rode lap after lap, fully enjoying the spectacular performance of the Diablo Supercorsa shod Panigale.

Izjave:
"Simply excellent tyres", said the enthusiastic Australian who won the World Superbike Championship riding the bikes from the Borgo Panigale based manufacturer in 2001, 2006 and 2008."If the SP version won me over with the fluid neutrality that accompanies each manoeuvre, even the most extreme ones, the SC2 compound version brought me back to an absolute total racing feel. I know Pirelli quality well, but this time they've managed to astonish me. Good job, Pirelli!"A much appreciated feature is the extraordinary capacity to attack curves in braking with extreme neutrality until reaching the apex, guaranteeing grip and an absolute level of stability in the subsequent acceleration phases. These are characteristics which Troy Bayliss skilfully took advantage of in spectacular test runs on both the standard version of the bike shod with Diablo Supercorsa SP and on the Kit bike with the SC2 version.

And engineer Forni's opinion confirms Bayliss' comments: "The new Diablo Supercorsa SP tyres in this 200/55 version are without a doubt the best street legal racing tyres in the world at the moment and I must say the best that I have ever had the opportunity to test in my career".


Malo tvorničkih podataka o gumi:
Pirelli return to the Yas Marina circuit in the United Arab Emirates capital, this time in support of the press launch for the new supersport Ducati, the 1199 Panigale, which will soon be available on the market with the new Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP (Sport Production) tyres as original equipment. The newest member of the Diablo family, introduced for the first time at EICMA 2011 in the first flagship Store Pzero Moda which opened last September in Milan, will shoe the Italian red fury in sizes of 120/70 ZR17 for the front and 200/55 ZR17 for the rear. They will also be exclusively used starting this year in the SC compound (Special Compound) version by Superstock 1000 FIM Cup riders.

In fact, the new Diablo Supercorsa SC in compound and destined only for competition is the evolution of Pirelli's most victorious supersport racing product into an even higher performance tyre designed to hold precise racing lines on straight stretches as well as bends. It provides a profile which favours handling, better wear in racetrack use, incomparable grip and unprecedented racing performance.

 

In the street version used by the 1199 Panigale, the Diablo Supercorsa SP is a concentration of technology which draws from Pirelli's racing experience and heritage as sole supplier of the World Superbike Championship since 2004, based on an ideal procedure of transferring sport technology to high performance street legal products. This street tyre, designed for professional riders and for bikers who have a sport street riding style but also love the track, provides racing performance typical of track-only products, allowing the user to have one ultra high performance product that can be used on the street or the track without having to make compromises. Compared to the compound version, the Diablo Supercorsa SP offers a bi-compound rear tyre in order to better adapt to street use, as well as more regular wear which favours mileage.

 

Both the Diablo Supercorsa versions (SP and SC) have a new profile on the front and rear which, compared to the 190/55 version, for example, is taller with about 2 mm more cord and about 4 mm more central diameter for greater support during braking and to make riding more intuitive and holding the line more precise. In particular, the new 200/55 size is the widest ever mounted on a street legal Ducati Superbike and the rear tyre has been completely redesigned and developed to increase the contact area and have more grip while leaning. The harmony of the front and rear profiles therefore ensures greater handling and agility.

 

The rear 200/55 size of the Diablo Supercorsa SP implements a bi-compound solution in order to permit both increased mileage and more grip while leaning. EPT (Enhanced Patch Technology) has also made it possible to use 23% more soft compound in the shoulder area (compared to the previous Diablo Supercorsa SP version) which now accounts for the 33% of the pattern extension on each side, guaranteeing better grip in mid to full lean. Finally, new polymers used for the SP compound helps achieving an earlier warp-up and improved grip in all conditions.

 

The performance of the compounds is further enhanced by the new and aggressive single element tread pattern, which revolves six times on the tyre surface. The result is that the “naked” area of the slick shoulders is 24% wider compared to the previous Diablo Supercorsa, increasing contact area and grip. The long longitudinal grooves, expanding from the central area to the shoulder, improve wear regularity especially under severe usage and helps draining the water lying on the ground. 

 

The solutions adopted for the compound (soft compound area 23% larger) and the tread (greater extension of the slick area on the shoulders) guarantee a significant increase in grip and traction, allowing the motorcycle to maintain a higher speed during leans. However, this made it necessary to use a new structure, derived directly from the ones used in competition and able to provide greater resistance to deformation. This is why the Diablo Supercorsa SP rear tyre now has a carcass made from an innovative high module fibre, patented by Pirelli and developed in WSBK, with a considerably lower deformation ratio than the fibre normally used in street tyres. The result is a new carcass which is more rigid, both at the centre and in the shoulder area. This provides greater resistance to the stress created by aggressive cornering or when accelerating early out of turns with the bike still in a leaning position. The new carcass helps the bike achieve better performance each time the weight shifts from the front to the rear and vice versa, a characteristic which is even more evident as the lean angle increases.


Cijena seta Sp varijante ( znaći tvorničke ugradnje na 1199) za 2012 godinu , za sada samo u dimenziji 120/200 biti će 2516,00 kn, a trebale bi biti dostupne za isporuku sredinom ožujka .
aj sad lipo prevedi  :)
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« Odgovori #1714 : 19. Veljača 2012, 15:44:04 »

Odlicno, jos samo da budu u varijanti za 600ccm  :mrgreen:

Koliko vidim idu u Dunlopovom Ntec smjeru sa pojacanom karkasom... Meni su se pokazale odlicnima (pogotovo prednja stabilnoscu na kocenjima duboko u zavoj i kako drzi putanju) i sada sam uzeo GP Racer cisto radi usporedbe (i jer ih svi hvale) a ako mi se ne budu pokazale dobrima vracam se Pirelliu

Malo je puno za prevesti, ali ukratko, dodatno poboljsana verzija dobro poznate Supercorse sa pojacanom karkasom i jos meksom smjesom na bokovima za cestovnu verziju... Citiram : "Najbolja guma koju sam ikada imao prilike testirati"! "Dobro obavljen posao, Pirelli!"

U svakom slucaju vrh ponude koji bi trebalo probati  :palacgore:


2bimba - nemoj me molim te zaboraviti za inform. vezane za tlakove na Gp Raceru  :palacgore:
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« Odgovori #1715 : 19. Veljača 2012, 16:06:45 »

pa kod mene je zadnje dvi godine na motoru d211 gp i moram rec da mi ne pada na pamet stavljat neke druge.iako se mozda ne moze ugrijat kao na stazi ali nikad nije nigdi popustala i ne mogu se zalit na nju nikako.mozda je razlog grubi asfalt na ovoj cesti di vozimo.stavija sam ih na stazi i poslije toga su ostale na motoru jer mi je prijatelj reka da ne minjam nego da probam na cesti.e i naravno najcesce su polovnjace sa grobnika hehe
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« Odgovori #1716 : 19. Veljača 2012, 16:44:09 »

Pitanje je kako se vozis  :mrgreen: bilo je padova iza mene sa GP-jkom ... sada da li je do vozaca ili gume ne mogu reci ali ostajem skeptican dok ne probam  :palacgore:
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« Odgovori #1717 : 19. Veljača 2012, 16:56:27 »

i ja sam bija skeptican ali odlucija sam poslusat ovog frenda i probat je na cesti i ugodno me je iznenadila i od tada je ne skidam sa motora a cijena mi bude jako dobra tako da se spojilo ugodno sa korisnim  :palacgore:
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« Odgovori #1718 : 19. Veljača 2012, 17:20:24 »

i ja sam bija skeptican ali odlucija sam poslusat ovog frenda i probat je na cesti i ugodno me je iznenadila i od tada je ne skidam sa motora a cijena mi bude jako dobra tako da se spojilo ugodno sa korisnim  :palacgore:
ja se isto vozim na raceru nemam nikakve primedjbe iako govore da je nemoguce ugrijat kad je hladno govorim 10 stupnjeva i niže za gumu sve pohvale  sad cu uzet metzeler k3 intercat kažu da je bolja od racera jer funkcionira na 0 stupnjeva i 30 pa cu napisat dojmove  :palacgore:crunk za grobnik probaj gp 211 angelo je koristi  :palacgore:
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« Odgovori #1719 : 19. Veljača 2012, 17:39:31 »

naravno bilo je i padova nekih momaka sta su stavljali jer bi opleli po gasu dok je ladna ali sami su si kriv. postaru jesi li ziv.slusa li honda.cekam da se snig otopi pa da malo doletim kod vas doli.ovde kod mene ga ima jos puno,gadi mi se i gledat kroz prozor.
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« Odgovori #1720 : 19. Veljača 2012, 17:49:24 »

naravno bilo je i padova nekih momaka sta su stavljali jer bi opleli po gasu dok je ladna ali sami su si kriv. postaru jesi li ziv.slusa li honda.cekam da se snig otopi pa da malo doletim kod vas doli.ovde kod mene ga ima jos puno,gadi mi se i gledat kroz prozor.
naravno da sluša to je honda dolaziš na grobnik 23.3 da probamo gp racera
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« Odgovori #1721 : 19. Veljača 2012, 17:54:41 »

a ne virujem da cu ic.jedino ako loto dobijem  :mrgreen:.ja sam sebi rijesija parice d211gp kao nove i sad cekam toplije dane pa cu odletit na grobnik kad bude slobodan dan i uzivat cili dan
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« Odgovori #1722 : 19. Veljača 2012, 17:56:22 »

a ne virujem da cu ic.jedino ako loto dobijem  :mrgreen:.ja sam sebi rijesija parice d211gp kao nove i sad cekam toplije dane pa cu odletit na grobnik kad bude slobodan dan i uzivat cili dan
ovo ti ispada jeftinije pošaljem ti na pm da ne kvarim temu :palacgore:
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« Odgovori #1723 : 19. Veljača 2012, 22:23:47 »

Moze mala pomoc i savjet.Kupujem gume za z750 pa gledam ponude u kojoj imam Dunlop spmax roadsmart 120/70 17,180/55 17 za 1900 kn i Michelin power pure istih dimenzija za 1800 kn.Zanima me sta bi mi bilo bolje kupit s obzirom da nisam vozac koji lezi u zavojima a koliko sam informiran razlika između tih guma u trajanju je velika ali neznam kakve su razlike u drzanju(gripu). :021:
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« Odgovori #1724 : 19. Veljača 2012, 23:12:57 »

Roadsmart, u tvom slučaju puno isplativije i bolje  :palacgore:
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